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well...
when i was constructing my research proposal this seemed like a good idea to
have an appendix with all electronically written and transmitted communications
with a cast of thousands somehow, no matter how tenuously, connected with
my work and research starting with the most recent on top - if a message
is in progress (as yet unsent) it is in grey
-
this allows people who are really keen to hear from me to check if i am
in the process of writing to them - it is also a kind of graveyard for
those messages which one begins to write but never sends (i guess they
will remain grey forever
:) > the merging of extremes > W.H. Auden wrote about Robert
Frost major
major modernist poets dude frost = usa wh auden = uk but went to america
to live both dead now (i think) Three
Short Poems by wh auden (1948?) "The
underground roads Are,
as the dead prefer them, > Art arises out of our desire
for both beauty and truth and our knowledge reply (i) hmm interesting question and i shall
add it to the thousand things briefly i don't think truth and beauty are
necessarily mutually exclusive or maybe it is just that i hope they are
not i have known just a few moments where beauty and truth are so so so
close together.... but i think sometimes truth and beauty can move closer
and closer together (over time) and reach a certain point and then move
apart again this is very painful i think one of the problems we have as
human beings is that we are unable to hold or contain both truth and beauty
in our minds at the same time perhaps this is where the sublime is located
- or it is one of its locations it is a very human thing tho and perhaps
it is only in death that this is finally clear to us reply
(ii) you have asked such a huge question
- i wonder sometimes whether you are aware of the magnitude of the questions
you ask - the meaning of meaning the relationship between truth and beauty
- what was the one about death or why does epitaph
keep changing - which is a big question for me - you know i had a major
sort of realization the other day as a result of jonbennet
ramsay’s nine year old brother now being accused of her murder
and for one ridiculous moment i wondered whether this meant that i should
take her image out and then i think : of course it is about all violence
- it is not even just about violence against children although in epitaph
i propose to work with just the images of children for aesthetic reasons
! because i need it to be beautiful as well because it is so ugly violence
against innocent defenceless vunerable little people is the saddest kind
of violence that it is possible to imagine anyway sorry yes of course you are
aware of it and this is what the
thousand things is about - the ancient chinese in the tao
te ching talk about the ten thousand things a lot and really that
is a much more accurate number indicating things that are really really
important or really really really important but i am not even sure i can
cover the thousand things you have to give me many more questions
maybe we can take this into a more formal collaboration in this way : some of the questions you have asked
me i don’t understand but we will give them a number and see how
we go i wonder i can only assume that you
are famliar with the front
end of one of my web sites a few years ago which opened with choose
and two buttons one truth and the other beauty and so what is so delicately held
is exactly art and/or poetry and/or music and i include in “art”
and “poetry” the best of film and the best in design the best
of all creative product which is made with truth and beauty in mind and
this is the secret of the thing and this is what you have picked up on
: one of the largest “issues” in the whole debate : art and
poetry is everything that is made with truth and beauty in mind - and
if it is made with a sort of special insight into what truth and beauty
are and what their relationship is sally 20 may 1999 mark
there
is a chapter in visionary film called recovered innocence and what we
spoke about on saturday has set me thinking that the sublime as a concept
is perhaps a symptom of romanticism - if this is a kind of refusal of
the ugliness and violence of the contemporary world such as what we are
living in today and perhaps my grasping for the sublime is like the romantics
grasping for it in their own turbulent time 9 may 1999 hortense actually i am not as keen on winona's
lower half but she does have a stunning clavicle and you don't need java
to browse it - i would recommend reality
bites and/or boys
(not the recent australian film but the 1996 film directed by stacy cochran)
Ê but if you had html mail (ie you are
using outlook or navigator/communicator mail) you would see this page
in phd pink and the following in big letters and in the colour red : NO IT IS NOT A TRICK -- ---------- >From: "David Green" i know you love snail mail but to
encourage you to enter the digital communication era i am going to send
you a postcard with the url of this my communications page and then you
will read this when eventually you log on :) i guess i am happiest if i can write
electronically and make connections and change colours and it seems strange
to me that everyone is not really excited about html mail i have
been working flat out the whole break on it - i am not complaining since
i am happiest when i am working (and it is going well) and i have been
very happy (with my work) ! have a look through the rest of my
phd site (there is even a hidden section!) professor! welcome back to the evil planet of
students be they post grad or undergrad they are a total scurge and should
be banned from the university it is not as if anyone cares ( but
i do!) and i have made great strides with the phd i feel i am going to
be well and truly ready to sock it to anyone who cares to listen at the
presentations whenever they are and by the time the deadline is approaching
(whenever that is!) for the presentation of my research proposal i shall
have fleshed out (i won't say "fatten up :) the basic structure of
my phd site which is now up and which is easy to download and requires
no special plugins as long as you stay within the phd site itself - oh
it is nice if you have SKIA in your fonts folder but it matters not one
tiff to the legibility or otherwise of my beautiful phd site - it is really
designed to be as easy on the eyes and bandwidth and memory and hardware
as possible and is being tested with all kinds of browsers and configurations of course if you are mad or bad or
sad enough to venture into the works in progress part of the site you
will need the appropriate plugins installed etc etc email
to professor david green my principal phd supervisor 25.1.99 ere ortenz wot dya reckon : arty.edu you know today professor ray king actually said that something
was a something type situation and i just cracked up i didn't know anyone
ever actually said that for real so there you go art imitates life artimitateslife.net or
should that be lifeimitatesart ?????? by the way davidgreen.com is for sale i notice : :) joh ps i want a phd consultation for christmas - but can it
be over a bottle of red ? email to professor david green my principal phd supervisor
3.12.98 good morning to you sir i know i said i'd write to you about cornell and i will
but in the meantime i was wondering whether you had any thoughts on paglia "...Art no matter how minimalist is never simply design.
The enterprise of art, in a stable collective era or an unsettled individualistic
one, is inspired by anxiety... Art is a shutting in in order to shut out.
Art is a ritualistic binding of the perpetual motion machine that is nature...
The first artist was a tribal priest casting a spell fixing natures daemonic
energy in a moment of perceptual stillness. Fixation is at the heart of
art, fixation as stasis and fixation as obsession. The modern artist who
merely draws a line across a page is still trying to tame some uncontrollable
aspect of reality..." isn't this the human condition per se ? the fixing and transformation
of nature... have a nice day yrs johannes email to neil fellow phd candidate and lecturer in art theory Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:37:10 +1000 To: tdmail@trackdown.com.au From: johannes klabbers <jklabbers@csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: Hi Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: >Johanas >How are you?. Well it looks that I have once again joined
the electronic >communication frontier again. WAHOO! Things in Sydney
are going good. Working >part-time at various places. Hence long hours of work.
One day i was working on >some sort of Photo expo and I met this guy.
His name is Daniel Blau. What he >does is 360 degree interactive stuff for CD-ROM and
the NET his site is at >http://www.ipix.com.au The stuff he does is
pretty cool. I have also been >working in 2 studios quite a bit. So if you need anything
edited, mixed or >mastered let me know and I will do it for you. This
email address atached to >this is for Trackdown Digital studios you can reply
to it as I am here quite a >bit. >Chat to you soon. >Damian Candusso hey damo hmm seemed to have missed replying to this one i am usually
pretty quick with emails so my apologies - yeah i know about ipix and
i like their set up with the custom made tripod and everything makes it
very precise and actually i had in mind to ask for some money from somewhere
to buy one it is a little extravagant tho - i'd like to go to the louvre
paris france and use it there to make the pictures for a virtual object
of amor and psyche by canova the old 18th century french sculptor dude
it is good that you re having a good time with your work
wish i could say the same for me :( i want to put out a cd soon with some of my sound stuff
(also i am playing live! at the band comp thingy since i am now a student...)
so i might take you up on it - so i could just send you a cd and you could
fix up all the pops and everything? have you heard of scanner i just recently
picked up a cd by him called delivery have a listen if you get a chance
because i think it is exactly like on the ball hits you between the eyes
kinda :) see you when you're in town take it easy johannes email to an ex-student in the electronic art programme i
used to teach david... what do you think of this: picabia's far sighted manifesto (worn as a sandwich board
by andre breton at the festival dada in paris 1920) see altshuler, bruce 1994 -- danzero@well.com ps my phd web site now called "a limited catalogue
of endless things" (a reference to the aleph by borges) and is for
the moment at least not on golum but residing on my desktop (as a test
only) - surf to http://137.166.92.21/ email to professor david green my supervisor 15.5.98 david there are approximately 50 billion galaxies in the universe
and each galaxy has approximately 100 billion suns (the age may 2 1998) -- d a n z e r o danzero@well.com email to professor david green my supervisor
1.5.98 david "...What fascinates (Gerald van der Kaap) is an erotic
relation with technique, whereby he formulates sexuality in art and technique
in some other than the commonplace manner. He challenges and humiliates,
flatters and thrashes, seduces but is also sometimes defeated and defiled
- apparently without minding very much by that very same challenging and
fascinating technique. Then we also recognise in him the artist in the
classical sense who sacrifices himself in our place..." joh email to professor david green my supervisor
30.4.98 david i have to start somewhere - perhaps with this and in this
way is easiest? a phd progress report confirmed and enrolled and present on the premises mostly
7 days a week :) i want to make a work that is here and now but also connects
with the "there" and the "then" moved a whole bunch of stuff into the phd office that is
to do with my art making but there is a lot of sorting out to do so much stuff i have collected over a lot of time with the
view of dumping it all to digital and throwing different things together
and seeing what happens - one of the fine things about my new computer
will be hopefully that it is fast and stable having sufficient memory
and will save me time by not freezing hanging and falling over so you
have to wait for it to restart and lose what you didn't save thus there is a lot to be said for a rigorous working methodology
when you work with digital because it is so easy to lose what you think
you have "got" where as in analogue mediums once it is there
it is just there until you destroy it even in photography all you have
to remember is about the light - keep it out of the light until it is
fixed perhaps performance and some installation art even some
video art have a lot in common with screen based digital art (whether
interactive or not ) but they differ also so much in the permanence of
their media oh... i have been invited to show work at two festivals
the impakt festival for audio visual arts in utrecht and the love bytes
festival in sheffield uk um yeah why do a phd someone inevitably asked and i said
because i can (refer blade runner etc) as this exchange could well form part of the presentation
of the written work for the phd i'd better choose my words carefully but
i applied for the phd because it became possible and so on one level i
am doing the phd because i can and because the faculty and the university
somehow managed the generosity of having enough confidence in me to offer
me the possibility (also i have to admit it tickled me to one day be able to
sign as dr. dan zero phd (wagga wagga) it is not quite the university
of woolloomoolloo -gday bruce- but it is the best i could do...) and the process is interesting to me - i have got a completely
free hand and i have been given exactly what i wanted to do my work or
half of it - there was no point in asking for all the other stuff i want
and i can work with what i have got and what there is and i have always
had to do that at the moment i am: - gathering the more significant digital art projects i
completed in 1995-1997 and (ii) sorting out the three major versions of my internet
sites which i did during the years 1996-7 and putting links to them
on my new low-key internet site http://www.well.com/~danzero - testing some systems and getting lots of advice from the
Direct-L Australia list and other people and places - one of the possibilities
with the latest version of Director 6 which i have been investigating
is the ability of a CDROM based work to log on to the net and to retrieve
a text (it can also work at least in theory with images and sounds) so
that the text whenever the cd was in use would be the latest version of
that text - that could create a very dynamic work that was in principle
always different and infinitely variable - and connected to here now - i have been trying to find a way of getting the mac voice
synthesis software to speak texts from within director and i have been
testing a director xtra to do this how many words is that then? when is the earliest i could present? :) johannes ps i am setting up a basic site for the written part of
my phd as a test at http://golum.riv.csu.edu.au/~jklabber/phd email to professor david green my supervisor
now... i am not so sure - i just don't seem to have the time to keep updating
it - maybe one day i will or i might delete it - we'll see how it goes...
16 jan 00
> to not know
> and to have knowledge
> what do you think is so delicately held between?
> -- i have no idea of who WH and Frost are --
> -- this is from something I read on john Brack --
Always tortuous." "When he looked the cave in the eye, Hercules Had a
moment of doubt." "Leaning out over The dreadful precipice, One contemptuous
tree."
> that they are not identicle.... a poet cannot bring us any truth
without
> introducing into his poetry the problematic, the painful, the disorderly,
> the ugly.....
> Every poet is at once a representative of his culture and critic
>
> What do you think is held so delicately between beauty and truth?
that is why i made and am making epitaph and that is why epitaph keeps
changing and actually i think it teaches us something
and i thank you and the one or two other people who have asked me these
questions which cause such trains of thought and such a flow from my keybaord
there is some doubt for you
i have set up an account on our experimental multimedia server called
onethousandthings which you can access - i don’t know if you have
got access to a web edior but the design for the page and the site is
deliberately simple so you can easily add things through a text editor
and raw html in fact i want to make the thousand hings lynx savy - you
know lynx the text based web browser?
and from the point of view of doubt this is an interesting thing because
truth is actually seen only momentarily and whilst the buddhists and the
zen dudes might claim that there is such a thing as satori or sammadhi
- enlightenment where the truth is seen so clearly and so deeply that
one is fundamentally changed forever in fact free from the cycle of life
and death - i don’t believe it - notice i didn’t say i doubted
it - i looked for it everywhere for many many years and i kind of found
it and lost it and found it again i have written about all this and some
of it is on the web but and in the end note that i became an artist and
i would say forget it - just aim to see the truth and beauty at one and
the same time for one moment in your entire life and i think you are doing
very very well :)
:)
dan zero
>To: jklabbers@csu.edu.au
>Subject: site
>Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 3:21 AM
>
> dan
> a trick i assume to see whether i am observant or is it simply a
> play on the image ? as i notice that wynona needs a java broswer---
> is that in any way related to an uplifting garment?
> hortense >
what is an html whatever as i am reading this from home i assume i
> have something but i would not know what.
>
> in answer to should the phd be part of the site i can see no reason
> why not will talk to you on monday
prof the crucial question
i forgot to ask was what do you th= ink about the phd being part
of the catalogue of endless= things...?
do you have HTML MAIL ? :)
joh
--
johannes klabbers - po box 1087 wagga wagga 2650 australia
- email : mail@joh.net - url : joh.net - phone : 02 693 32887 (w) 02 697
10038 (h)
as you can see the text is in white and so i am still in the process of
editing it and you know how i told you that never is anything really finished
- you just come to a point where you say enough! and leave it at least
for a while (or you don't)
do you like this shade of pink? don't worry no one does... problem is
#e47871 looks different in dreamweaver to the way it does in netscape
and the way it looks in explorer is different again - btw you will be
amazed but i have grown to prefer explorer over navigator since using
it to test my phd site - it is faster smoother and more stable
so... you been eating da yellow candy bananas i have been eating a lot
of fruit - real fruit - i had a big fruit thing ten years ago but this
declined over time until i can honestly say i had about one piece of fruit
a year but now i live in town again and it is summer i am into fruit in
a big way i have been enjoying plums, bananas, grapes, passion fruit,
melons and kiwi fruit - i have just bought my first mango of the season
which is a huge red and yellow orb i am just waiting for the right moment
to ravish it :)
soon the term will start again and you will find me a tardy unreliable
correspondent when the shop opens for busines and so too will your adventure
begin - remember there is always a spot for you in the honours programme
here in happy happy wagga wagga and you can enter halfway through the
year - i am only saying this in case you find the television industry
a dreadful bore and you want to bail
did i say i am still really enjoying living in town (scan...) no well
i am :)
i have made a responses link on the
epitaph index page and here
it has some comments by a writer/artist friend of mine (historical car
crash) and your shockwave
piece and some of the comments
from your previous letter (tnx - i will remove these at any time when
you no longer want them to be on the net - i have included your initials
only so as not to embarrass you ! but i am happy to change or remove or
link the credit) so next you are going to ask me why i have used that
picture with the texts and um i think the reason is well it is (was) a
ceo and i was going to give him a meat
hat but then i thought he looks too sad to give him a meat hat and
then oh god... i don't know... whatever...
i think i have this communications page as part of my phd - that was your
next question? - because i need a place in or a part of my phd where i
can say oh god i don't know whatever :)
a phd is equal parts
knowledge and doubt
history and present
theory and practice
received and original ideas
with reference to your comments in your letter about the many different
sallys it is a credit to your intelligence and your sanity that you are
able to voice this and to feel comfortable with it because of course every
individual person is actually a collection of personality fragments and
the idea of a single consistent unified individual is an illusion and
it is something people think they “ought to be” and they struggle
desperately with the disparate nature of their many selves
yrs
dan zero
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sudrar eg
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joh :)
communication with an ex-student in the multimedia programme in which
i teach 28.1.99
as in what the aggies call us :)
it might have to be arty.edu.au i don't know what is involved in having
an edu domain name but if you reckon its a goer i am going to try and
do it - arty.net is taken much to my chagrin but perhaps it is useful
to identiy ourselves as an educational type situation
DAVIDGREEN (DAVIDGREEN6-DOM) 4Sale, MakeOffer@RockBottomDomains.com Portland,
OR 97216 US Domain Name: DAVIDGREEN.COM
(sex and violence or nature and art p42)
i wonder what cornell would have thought about this...
10.6.98
in order for you to like something
it is necessary for you to have seen
and understood it a long time ago (you idiots)
the avant garde in exhibition: new art in the 20thc.
new york: harry n. abrams
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(i) putting the interactive CDROM pieces together on a single
CDROM so i can submit them to people that have expressed an interested
in looking at what i have done eg Brian Langer is putting together a
national media art collection for the Queensland Art Gallery, and Debbie
Abraham (Regional Art Galleries Coordinator) who is inviting me to speak
at the Regional Art Galleries Conference on New Media in the regions
(Broken Hill, August)